Three years Conversation and Debate with Frezghi Mesmer – Part I/II

This conversation is a conversation done with unknown Eritrean whom I faced with his ideas fearlessly for three years. On January 04, 2019, he gave up and decided to block me after I crossed his “Red Line”. I believe that he is one of the great politicians who has dominated Eritrean politics for the last 15 years. According to him, his main interest is the case of Eritrean Eritrean Lowlands and Jeberti community recognition in Eritrea.

Last message from Frezghi Mesmer

As a faceless man, I always maintained my privacy when I deal with him as he did so. But, we continued exchanging for the last three years in civility and amicably. It is unfortunate that he decided to leave when he can not more tolerate my freedom to express my idea freely.

I know he kept his identity secret. But, why suddenly he decided to bring his red Line to me when I discussed Aberra HAGOS family. Is he from them, if so, why he feels hurt when he was the one who was criticizing many Eritreans freely? Well, my analysis will follow. For now, I am making our conversation public so that Eritreans can know how farFrezghi Mesmer and I were engaged for the last three years.

Conversation Started on 19/01/2016 – 

Conversation started by Tesfabirhan

1/19/16, 9:01 PM

Tesfabirhan

Virtual Eritrean Mr frezghi, how are you?

6/2/16, 6:47 PM

You can now call each other and see information like Active Status and when you've read messages.

Frezghi Mesmer

haha, sorry I just saw this. I am well, Tes. Hope you are too. Why are we not FB friends at least?

6/4/16, 12:13 AM

Tesfabirhan

Hi Frezghi, how can a virtual person accept friendship
No way

Frezghi Mesmer

are you going to attack me for my cowardice?:) My lack of belief in change? Please go ahead. I admire you a lot. I will accept any insult as if from an elder..

Tesfabirhan

Kkkk
No attack but as usual provoke
This is where I am good at
And as planned it worked even if is late
Though I don't agree with you promote I am to read the views of those hard line nationalists
Read "with what you promote..."

Frezghi Mesmer

I am writing something now on my wall. Hope it provokes you more.

Frezghi Mesmer

check it out.....

Tesfabirhan

I gave my response
No no this time u spoke on behalf of me
Thank u

6/8/16, 7:52 PM

Frezghi Mesmer

We are more similar than different, Tes bro.

1/19/17, 12:35 AM

Tesfabirhan

hello zeyhilelo
happy new year

Frezghi Mesmer

Hey bro, same to you. Hope Abraham did not disappoint you too much?

Tesfabirhan

Not actually
I am always skeptical for those who are fun of Arts
they are so easy to move with the wind
and are easily convinced as they gifted to appreciate new ideas
but I got a good opportunity to go against Tesfazion's manifesto
I believe on killing the discipline than the master

Frezghi Mesmer

you are wedi Keren, right?

Tesfabirhan

kkk, no
I am not a ghost like you
kkk
fantôme yiblwo ezom ferensawyan

Frezghi Mesmer

Lol, you got me there. There are a certain number of Kebessa that are obsessed with Ethiopia. They see it as an answer to everything. Agazian is just the latest Ethiopian thing.

Tesfabirhan

I don't think they are obsessed with ethiopia
in fact this where you and me differ in our take
they are just looking the best way to come out from our current problems. And what they chose is always becoming wrong.
They go only to the Ethiopian territory when they are just kicked off by a sudden and out of their expected public reaction.
I don't know why you are so obsessed with the ethiopian thing though.

Frezghi Mesmer

sigh.....Ethiopia spends over 200k per year on Eritrean opposition. Of course it is going to have the most influence.

Tesfabirhan

Ok spending is one and I agree on the effect
but why Eritreans are forced to depend on ethiopian funding?
This is what I always ask
The opposition camp are getting a kick whenever they come. Of course they don't come with a right political programs

Frezghi Mesmer

Because, they wont take the time to start a grassroots fund raising operation.

Tesfabirhan

and we just reject them instead of embracing them
then Ethiopia hijacks them
this is my reservation of not blaming ethiopia but for sure I know what is the effect once they are trapped there
Frezghi, Eritreans are not good in financing grass root movements
they are good in pouring their money when they see big things

Frezghi Mesmer

you are wrong. Eritreans follow an established pattern. Losing or winning, it almost doesnt matter to them.

Tesfabirhan

ah, that is what I mean established pattern

Frezghi Mesmer

It would have taken 3-5 years of an established FULL-TIME organization to dominate the opposition. No one ever bothered to work towards it. Every year, it would have more members. All it needed was consistent and simple philosophy for change.

Tesfabirhan

i just couldn't get the right word
3-5 years is for grass root movement
but remember all opposition groups are part-timers

Frezghi Mesmer

The EPLF established student groups that raised funds for it starting in the 70s. By the mid 80s, they raised 100s of 1000s s for it annually.

Tesfabirhan

how can then invest 3-5 yrs without financial resources
EPLF has hijacked an already established organization
Everyone is looking an EPLF model. No i totally disagree

Frezghi Mesmer

donations. You need dedicated people who can donate $100 per month without interruption. Fundraisersers and foreign donations can supplement this .

Tesfabirhan

In fact EPLF is a bundit
who stole resources (be it human or financial) from ELF
people can donate more than 100 but they are looking for a strong and well established organization
I was for exampling contributing more than 40 euros every month for 2 yrs when I was a student
even now I am contributing the same amount but for others
therefore it is not because we are not contributing but all of us are part-time opposition forces

Frezghi Mesmer

To succeed, an org has to have full-time leadership initially and members later on. To be full-time, it has to have independent funding. Donations are the only independent source of funding. We will never move from part-time unless we commit to it or find activists who will commit to it. Giving them a minimal salary is the way forward.

Tesfabirhan

I agree with you
Unless there are officially paid opposition leaders in the opposition, it will be hard to achieve our goals
Anyway
it is good to chat with a ghost
but not good to go further
lets do it public as usual
and thank you

Frezghi Mesmer

Yes sir. I agree. Thank you as well.

3/22/17, 12:25 AM

Tesfabirhan

Rebashi - dahna do
Niaka win hanti mealti alatika bezi tigebro zeleka poleticawi shibera
kkk
to be serious, I am really sick of bullying
and I decided to do something
Hope you find it OK

Frezghi Mesmer

More than Okay, bro. It was a principled defense. No one doubts your sincerity in the struggle or your cleanness of heart. At least, I dont.
I disagree with some views you have. That is all. People of integrity are expected to have beliefs. If it agrees with me, great. if not, it is still worthwhile and a pleasure to engage with them to find common ground. Keep being you.

Tesfabirhan

yah, I love different views
that is why I like to debate
through debating we perfect our thoughts and the winner can take the path
yet the ideas never die

Frezghi Mesmer

doubtful. Organization and leadership is what accomplishes goals. Not debating societies.

Tesfabirhan

and this is my principle in every fight I do
and thank you for your compliment
lets fight for bigots

Frezghi Mesmer

indeed....bigots are the enemies of everyone

Tesfabirhan

who don't tolerate other idea or try to silence ideas
indeed and I believe Aregai is a bigot though not a fascist like Tesfazion
in fact, my move against Aregai is multi-dimensional, against his bigotry, against his rule of the jungle, against fake unity call, against his anti-human rights
in fact, human rights embraces all
enough for a synonym man
just wanted to clarify
greetings Mr. Anonymous
not synonym sorry for the misuse

Frezghi Mesmer

lol indeed. Well, its good to expose him. People should know. I rarely go on paltalk. I thought he was a nationalist.

Tesfabirhan

me too, I never go to paltalk
butt thanks to facebook
and for the nationalit - that is why I hate nationalism
kkkkkkkkk
keytezaribena ske

Eritrea needs now Liberal Democracy

This is what I have concluded at last though it is impossible to let nationalism die

Frezghi Mesmer

i agree

4/10/17, 10:47 PM

Frezghi Mesmer

Hi Tes, how come you havent commented on my theory about the real reason narrow appeals are used the Diaspora opposition?

Tesfabirhan

Hello Frezghi
How are you?
I have only one reason
Though your thoughts are great, I am just feeling non-energetic when I interact with faceless people
I wish you expose yourself. I appreciate you in almost all of your political take(except few).
Plus, I am a bit over stretched these days
but but the main reason is transparency

Frezghi Mesmer

Either my ideas have merit to struggle and must be addressed or your preferences trumps the progress of the struggle.

Tesfabirhan

I am a liberal democrat and hence you know where we will be in conflict
and as a liberal democrat, I believe on transparency
In case, I consider you as a conservative, center right republican
Which I think it is where I basically differ with you.
Unlike Solomon Tesfamariam (he writes it in Tigrigna), Nationalist, Aregai Hagos - Ultra Nationalist, you are just a nationalist. I won't be surprised if stand against sectarian, regionalists, religious, etc.

Frezghi Mesmer

Everyone has reasons for anonymity. One benefit that is rarely considered is that I am free to say what I truly think without fear of consequences. Have you ever considered the value in that? Once someone joins the formal opposition, the group think soon starts to affect their ideas. If not that, they are afraid to antagonize their friends in various camps. The end result is stasis and stagnation.

Frezghi Mesmer

Ever heard the expression "we are playing word games on the Titanic."

Tesfabirhan

But today, we are not in a political debate
we are fighting
I consider myself as a fighter

Frezghi Mesmer

These political spectrum definitions that you have are not appropriate to our struggle. We need critical mass.

Tesfabirhan

hence I am fully exposed to the public
and for what I do I am responsible
this is the advantage of transparency
responsibility

Frezghi Mesmer

That’s not actually true, Tes.

Tesfabirhan

and accountability
and what you are saying is the opposite
It is true
but it might not be for you

Frezghi Mesmer

You live in a civilized society. You are protected by laws. The regime elements in the West are not interested in going to jail. You only risk your ability to visit the homeland. Little else.

Tesfabirhan

Liberal Democrats believe on transparency, accountability, responsibility, hence rule of law

Frezghi Mesmer

That is a legitimate risk, for sure. And one that is a sacrifice.

Tesfabirhan

I have risked everything.
my family, my baby, my wife
everything - even I was once upto a dxxxxx

Frezghi Mesmer

Forgive me if I stepped over the line. I a m not talking about you personally. Since I dont know you.

Tesfabirhan

Don't worry. I am who I am and I am saying what I have to say it is my conviction and principle

Frezghi Mesmer

I meant in general. Anyway, back to the relevant points.

Tesfabirhan

Don't worry therefore. the relevant point for me is transparency

Frezghi Mesmer

Diaspora strugglers risk disconnection from the struggle inside the homeland.

Tesfabirhan

but yes we can discuss also on idea. Network with homeland is one thing

Frezghi Mesmer

I think due to the distance and exile. Anything less than a united effort is not a struggle. It is avoiding the struggle. it is waiting out the struggle while saying you are in the struggle. Especially for those with narrow appeals.

Tesfabirhan

I appreciate for anonymosity but I expect high quality of information

Frezghi Mesmer

Of course

Tesfabirhan

Look, I am happy these days. for the development the justice seeking is doing. For the last 4-5 yrs, we were in chaos, till now!
but it seems that the struggle is taking its shape

Frezghi Mesmer

You are fooling yourself. it is dying and losing momentum. Why are groups dormant and only wake up to argue? why isn't there an agreed upon strategy by all groups by now?
Because of the total lack of ideas in the opposition, people have been free to wander into Agazianism and regionalism. That is political death.

Tesfabirhan

I have a different perspective
what we are doing is moving from collective nationalistic struggle to chaotic liberal struggle. And from this chaotic struggle, rule of law will be developed

Frezghi Mesmer

tes, I love you like a dear brother. But you are delusional!

Tesfabirhan

Thank you and same me too. I have great appreciation in most areas. As for me, I don't think I am delusional

Frezghi Mesmer

Chaotic struggle is always exploited by the most organized and most ruthless party. If DIA died today, the various groups can do nothing to influence the situation. They don’t even have a plan to work together if that happens. Or even an ideological outline.

Tesfabirhan

Take my notes carefully
I am not saying chaotic struggle is the end. what I am saying the chaos we are witnessing today is changing of our political thinking - from socialists and nationalistic mindset to liberal thinkers

Frezghi Mesmer

This is only of the reasons why I CANT participate openly in the struggle. I dont understand why people think the way they do. I dont mind sacrificing for principles I believe in. I cant see sacrificing to be lumped in with regionalists and Agazians.

Tesfabirhan

just like that of the 1940s 50s

Frezghi Mesmer

It certainly is not!

Tesfabirhan

Liberalism is not good at all
but there is high probability of coming with a common law
Look those naughty Akeleguzay nationalists

Frezghi Mesmer

One big difference is that we are OUTSIDE our homeland. We are lonely refugees shaking our identity beads in a strange and new society in order to make ourselves feel better. Our politics is social in nature. It is a way for us to continue our Eritrean identity in a foreign land. We are just like the PFDJ supporters. Just their polar opposite in what we define as Eritreanism.

Tesfabirhan

Finally they are out. Almost filtered. Now it is time to make laws

Frezghi Mesmer

In what context can you make and enforce laws??

Tesfabirhan

It is not simple but now the time has reached. and I believe everyone is callign for it.
- Even Kunama opposition are now back to acknowledge eritrean history.
- Afar are demanding for open dialogue
- Adikeih, those who always create havoc and who believe on violence are now calling for mutual respect
Frezghi - Eritrea is a diverse country
nationalism/socialism will not help
Only Liberal Democratic political ideology will work
Liberal democracy is welcome by our Mulsim brothers
  • is welcome by Catholics
  • is welcome by regionalists
  • is welcome by sectarians
  • is welcome by extremists
  • is welcome by all religions
  • is welcomed by business people
I am reading a lot about liberal democracy these days. and my politics is maturing
and hopefully I will be a prominent political advocate for liberal democracy

Frezghi Mesmer

Who says nationalism excludes liberal democracy? Did you think I was advocating for a replacement to the PFDJ that was similar to the PFDJ? I spoke up for lowland issues so much that half the FB audience thinks I am from the lowlands.

Tesfabirhan

PFDJ ideology is not nationalism
it is Juche Ideology

Frezghi Mesmer

Same for Muslims. I defended them as a crucial part of Eritrean and I was accused of being a Muslim. Liberal democracy can exist only under a unitary nationalism in which each group's grievances are national grievances. A Tigrinya should be just as well versed in Kunama and Afar issues. Because both those groups are part of the nation.

Tesfabirhan

Nationalists are OK with people's grievances - if you talk about lowland, don't think it is not nationalism
And same for Muslims
Liberal Democracy principles are very simple: 1. Respect of Human Rights (very important) - 2. Free Market 3. Free Speech 4. Freedom of Movement 5. Rule of Law 6. Sovereignty

Frezghi Mesmer

Okay, bro. I have to get back to work. I just wanted your input. take care.

Tesfabirhan

On the other hand, Nationalism - 1. shared communal identification (History) 2. Self-governance, with full sovereignity( free from unwanted outside interference) 3. Developping and maintaining national identity ( characteristics such as culture, language, race, religion, political goals) 4. preserve the nation's culture, sense of pride in the nation's achievements(patriotism),

Tesfabirhan

that is all. Now see the difference
It is like the USA Politics: Democrats Vs. Republicans
We will continue
and hope you will be transparent

5/31/17, 6:17 PM

Frezghi Mesmer

I can’t believe you write on awate.com but have little understanding of Jeberti issues. Have you not read old articles by Saleh Johar on the issue?

5/31/17, 11:00 PM

Tesfabirhan

Hello Frezghi -I can't understand what you mean exactly. could you please clarify to me

Frezghi Mesmer

Jeberti are a historic people that spread to four countries in the Horn. Eritrea, Ethiopia, Sudan, and Somalia. They were either converted by the original Sabaha(Mohamed's followers who fled to Abyssinia) or related to them. The reason they dont have their own language is because they assimilated centuries ago. They only kept their origin current and not their original language. Sort of like the Jews. In Ethiopia and Eritrea, they played pivotal historical roles. Especially in Eritrea. The Jeberti of Tigray were persecuted by Menelik(?) and driven out or converted. Those that fled into Eritrea joined existing Jeberti. This is why many Eritreans think all Jeberti come from Tigray. Anyway, because of their experience in Ethiopia. Jeberti were skeptical of Union with Ethiopia. As a result, they were the FIRST to fight for independence as a group. The first victims of Andinet terrorists who killed them and burned their homes and businesses. They were the canary in the goldmine for Eritrea. As such, their wish for historical recognition is not only simple justice. It is also supported by Eritrean patriotism or nationalism. It is also a wish expressed in non-violent and peaceful terms. How could you compare them with the odious Agazians? You should have seen their issue in terms of free expression and recognition of expressed identity by the state.

Tesfabirhan

Please don't think that I don't know this history
I have enough historical background
Jeberti people issue is not political but Civic Rights
Of course Civic Rights issue in rare cases can be solved through political movement but the consequence is not simple to imagine
If the Jeberti people are asking the same civic rights in Sudan, Ethiopia, Somalia etc, I don't think they can achieve it through political means as AL-Nahda Party is trying to do
They should better re-organize themselves and fight in Civic Rights Movement form

6/1/17, 1:45 AM

Frezghi Mesmer

my God...what a monumental failure on your part.

Frezghi Mesmer

They are organized as a Civic Rights Movement. All they ask for is recognition of their history. They don't ask for land, proportional representation in military/economic/civil service, or anything concrete. The Jeberti case was the simplest case to support from a Liberal Democracy view or a Civic view. Why do you insist on putting them in the "political context" simply because Al-Nahda is a political movement is beyond me. Al Nahda is only a small party of the Jeberti movement. Every single jeberti feels left out of Eritrean history. That is a social movement with huge appeal inside their community. Just because one political party used it to create a platform and join the opposition, you lump them with genocidaires who want to create concentration camps. You lack a sense of proportion. Too many times, you hear only the voices in your head and move headlong accordingly.

Tesfabirhan

What we have is Al-Nahda as a political organization hence a Political Rights movement. If you are telling me that it is not sorry then.
For you
That is all i can say. Otherwise Al-Nahda Party that i know is a political organization
And I am criticizing it accordingly
Of course these days there is no clear difference line between Civic and Political Rights in Eritrean politics. I will not be surprised if there are crossings
But don't let me stay ignorant. What I am saying is very clear
And I put it clearly.

6/1/17, 10:52 PM

Tesfabirhan

Hello Frezghi
I hope by now we are on the same understanding on the topic I raised
I am for an absolute right of individuals/group of people to identify their destiny. I am no one to recognize people. Any human being who lives in a certain territory has rights to be who he is.

8/4/17, 11:55 PM

Tesfabirhan

Hello Frezghi
I don't think we can agree on many issues
but we will keep on our exchange
as I can see we are in opposite sides
it is good

Frezghi Mesmer

yes. I am on hte side of reality. You joined the mass hallucination of the Paltalk opposition.

Tesfabirhan

well, I believe I am on the side of reality too
I am against Mesfin from the very beginning. Check my comments at awate
four yrs ago
But you are not real
you are fake
and I am not

Frezghi Mesmer

lol. good for you. It means in four years you will not found single evidence. Which is why you only discuss rumors.

Tesfabirhan

you defend EPLF and Mesfin
while hiding
this indicates you are on the same leauge
hahaha
Please don't bring the PFDJ style - where is the evidence
please please
the more you say it the more you are sounding pfdj
I told you what I got from primary testimony
and you denied

Frezghi Mesmer

sigh....how about not being in league with mental midgets and feckless howling monkeys?: ) Its not that Mesfin is guilty or innocent. It is that those bringing the charges have nothing worthwhile to contribute.

Tesfabirhan

then if you believe that they have nothing to contribute, why you live defending

Frezghi Mesmer

Is that sworn testimony in front of a grand jury?:) NOPE. You brought hearsay from unnamed sources. You are not a journalist. Why are your unnamed sources worth anything?

Tesfabirhan

why don't you leave us
hahaha, even I am dealing with unknown person
It is like dealing with a robot eko

Frezghi Mesmer

I should say nothing positive to contribute. You contribute a lot of negativity and ineffectiveness.
Hey Tesino, you inboxed me. Feel free to stop conversating anytime.

Tesfabirhan

yah I have too
inbox you
it is a continuation of what we do in the front page
but I like to inbox you just to avoid tensions
it is kind of reducing negativity

Frezghi Mesmer

Tes, I love you as a brother. That will not change. You have a good heart. BUT, in politics, you are out of your depth. You are all over the place. The Mesfinism is a sign of giving up. A sign of defeat. It means you have given up on PFDJ in Eritrea. its easier to reach one ole pensioner in Frankfurt.

Tesfabirhan

our love is mutual and indeed with respect
but I never gave up on PFDJ
pfdj will be gone sooner
but I am more concerned on the reminants
To tell you, after hearing a lot about Mesfin, I experienced his dirty mission in person
it is since then that I felt confident to oppose him openly

Frezghi Mesmer

What did you experience? Did he not treat your ideas with respect? Mesfin has concluded that the external opposition is not worth much. I can’t say I disagree.

Tesfabirhan

No, I don't have any contact nor have I experienced directly with hm

Frezghi Mesmer

Tell me what happened. I will respond later. Have to go now. Ciao

Tesfabirhan

but I got some networks that was in rumour before
I won't tell you. I'm just telling you that I have some personal evidences
Thank you for your time. Just let us continue our civil exchange without creating unneeded tensions

8/6/17, 1:40 AM

Frezghi Mesmer

I wont spare my opinion one bit. That is another problem we have. We like our fellow anti-PFDJ supporters and dont speak truth to them often enough.

8/6/17, 10:36 AM

Tesfabirhan

Thank you for the piece of advice
But i don't think i will agree
I have to speak the truth
But i think i should know with whom i am talking

8/7/17, 6:15 PM

Frezghi Mesmer

Isn't it interesting that your "truth" is the same as a large segment of the opposition? Change requires a leader. Not a follower.

9/25/17, 8:52 PM

Frezghi Mesmer

So, you valiently exposed us Hama regionalists?

Tesfabirhan

what do you mean?

Frezghi Mesmer

Your last answer to Zaki on my post basically assumed we only care about Hamasein region.

Tesfabirhan

But who are you?
You are neither Hama nor else. I consider you just an eritrean
And what I wrote is what I believe on. If it matters to you, defend it.
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